Winchester 1886 45/70 26” barrel
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troy fairweather
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Stronger then a marlin for modern guns, your shoulder will give out before the gun does. You will get a good bit more velocity figure about 25 fps a inch more but after 150 yards they all start dropping quick. Advantage is longer sight radius and more rounds if it's a full tube. A 26" 1886 is a hefty gun especially when loaded.
CraigC
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Almost as strong as the Ruger #1, if that tells you anything.
Smokin Gator
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The Marlins can handle the Buffalo Bore and Garret ammo designed to function in leveractions. But the Winchester is a bit stronger.
You won’t really gain much, if any, to your maximum point blank range. As has been pointed out, around 150 yards, things start dropping fast. Even the Polymer tipped Hornady bullets do not have a very good ballistic coefficient. Was very surprised when I looked it up. On paper it is a bit better than their 350 gr bullet, but, it isn’t enough to make a practical difference when hunting.You can’t drive a brick fast enough , from a shoulder fired rifle, to make it fly flat.
My experiments have taught me a full case of benchmark is as much a I can handle with 300 gn hdy. Not enjoyable but if anything real big moves into the Midwest the 1895 is ready. 150 yard dear is no match.
Marlin loads are annoying. Flatter flying is handled by better choices in caliber.
For me.
Marlin loads are annoying. Flatter flying is handled by better choices in caliber.
For me.
Chuck R.
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A friend of mine bought the deluxe version of that rifle, complete with curved buttplate for an upcoming buffalo hunt. It is seriously no joy off a bench due to the buttplate. It actually is a surprisingly heavy rifle. His with the 24" barrel is in the 9lb range:
www.winchesterguns.com
I think the limiting factor will be the sights, you may want to look at a tang rear.
Model 1886 Deluxe Rifle Case Hardened | Winchester
2016 SHOT Show Introduction - High grade lever-action Model 1886 rifle chambered for powerful historic cartridges, case colored receiver, lever, forearm cap and crescent buttplate. 24" blued octagon barrel. High grade III/IV satin finish checkered walnut curved grip stock and forearm. Marble...
I think the limiting factor will be the sights, you may want to look at a tang rear.
CraigC
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Last week I came so close to snagging a new 1886 22" carbine in .45-90 but resisted the impulse. The deluxe rifle is not that much more and that is probably what I would prefer. Worth pointing out that they are drilled & tapped for a receiver sight.
The one I’m looking at has the tang sight for $1400A friend of mine bought the deluxe version of that rifle, complete with curved buttplate for an upcoming buffalo hunt. It is seriously no joy off a bench due to the buttplate. It actually is a surprisingly heavy rifle. His with the 24" barrel is in the 9lb range:
Model 1886 Deluxe Rifle Case Hardened | Winchester
2016 SHOT Show Introduction - High grade lever-action Model 1886 rifle chambered for powerful historic cartridges, case colored receiver, lever, forearm cap and crescent buttplate. 24" blued octagon barrel. High grade III/IV satin finish checkered walnut curved grip stock and forearm. Marble...
I think the limiting factor will be the sights, you may want to look at a tang rear.
bfoosh006
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If memory serves me... the Modern Winc. 1886 can handle up to 40K loads... in my 22" Carbine length Miroku made Browning. 1886 , that means about 1880fps with a 405gr Rem. SP.
Plenty of oomph.... and yes it kicks like a mule.
Best part is... you can easily load much lighter recoiling rounds.
Plenty of oomph.... and yes it kicks like a mule.
Best part is... you can easily load much lighter recoiling rounds.
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CraigC
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Marlin can handle 40,000. The 1886 is good for another 10,000.
bfoosh006
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Maybe so... but extraction became noticeably stickier with stronger loads.
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highlander 5
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Had an 1886 year's ago handled everything I loaded but the curved steel butt plate will beat you into submission with heavier loads.
Mine was not drilled/tapped for receiver sights was going to have that done but none of the local gunsmiths would touch it steel was harder than woodpecker lips.
Mine was not drilled/tapped for receiver sights was going to have that done but none of the local gunsmiths would touch it steel was harder than woodpecker lips.
redneck2
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I have a Browning BPCR Creedmoor in .45-90. Made by Miroku. Browning told me that it’s made of modern steel and will withstand anything any modern rifle would. The .45-90 is virtually identical to a .458 Win Mag other than the belt
Fortunately or unfortunately it’s unfired and new condition. Need to find someone that would actually shoot it
Fortunately or unfortunately it’s unfired and new condition. Need to find someone that would actually shoot it
Chuck R.
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A friend of mine has one, seen here shooting my turkey swinger (385M) off my garage apron:
The Creedmoor models command a premium as they didn't hake that many.
redneck2
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AFAIK they only made 328 total, each built to order. One would think they would be highly desired but I’ve tried to sell mine several times with no interest. It’s absolutely beautiful and at one time I thought I’d get into BPCR but it never happened. I’Ve offered it to guys that were going to get something like a Pedersoli that cost more and had a two year wait but for what reason none were Interested
Chuck R.
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It's a shame.
Unfortunately I think it's due to the BPCR sport fading out. I've still got my 4 rifles (Shiloh 74 and 3 Ballard Rifle and Cartridge 1885s), but honestly just don't have the interest in it anymore.
Have you tried putting it up on the Shiloh site? That's where most of the BPCR guys are hanging there hats these days.
