Savage mkII fv-sr range report velocity test. (16" 22lr)

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I took the oppurtunity to shoot my new fv-sr today this time at 100yds over the Chronograph with an assortment of loadings. I figure the velocity figures would be of especial interest to you guys.

Remington thunderbolt 22lr 40g RN
1124-1156-1166-1058-1120 group was appx 5" but would have been around 3 if not for the 1058 flier.

W-W super speed 37g HP 1225-1153-1306-1296-1268
Group was 3.25"

Fiocchi 40g CPSP 1246-1213-1216-1248-1261
Group was 2"

Aguila 60g sss 916-899-890-899-889
No grouping unstable

Blazer 40g RN 1228-1190-1208-1189-1207 group 2.5"


All in all not bad. I'm liking the little rifle however I am noticing a couple things that need addressed before I can really start squeezing the gun for accuracy. Foremost the stock sucks. It has far too much drop at the comb and actually made my neck hurt trying to be consistent shooting from the bench. Second unlike my other 22's accuracy seems to fall off after 50 rounds or so granted this might be due to the Remington thunderbolt ammunition I shot a box of that has a reputation for leading up bores excessively.




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I read this with interest, I have one of these I have not fired yet.
 
One of the problems you find with the run of the mil hgh velocity ammo is it tends to go sub-sonic before 100 yards and that unstabilizes the bullets. You end up with pour groups. Try something from the standard velocity group next. CCI standard, ether of wolf or sk, they have two each ammo loaded by lapua. Federal 922A, priceier, loaded by rws. Some of the sub sonic match ammo tend to shoot closer to + or - 1" if you have enought scope. I use a 6-24 power. Besure to allow up to 20 shoots when switching ammo to give the old lube or coating a chance to wear out of the bore before checking group size. Use something to clean the bore well now. Some of these unlubed lead or copper plated bullets on a new bore can muck it up. My fv-sr took around 500 shots fired before it settled down and slicked up. Final finsh ammo works to but avaiblity and cost$$$. Get your barrel clean and with a better class of ammo it should be way tighter grouping. Mine will go a good 500 to 700 shot before maybe needing to clean again.
 
Thanks for the tip! I hadn't considered the transonic aspect of supersonic 22 ammunition at longer ranges.

Learn something new each day.




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Try waxing some of the Blazer ammo. Just the tip w/ some Caranuba wax and let it dry. Or some Pledge furniture polish. Trust me, huge difference.

Blazer will typically shoot 1.5" out of the box at 100 yards in our MkII. My son I have done a best now of .900" w/ waxed Blazer at 100 yards. By comparison, the best the gun has ever done has been .865" w/ Wolf Match at 100 yards, which is subsonic.

Here is an old test I did w/ various lubes at 100 yards. The gun was new and has settled in a bit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXqOiLZ4xUc

While I see a difference at 100 yards, I really notice a difference when we shoot at 330 yards.
 
My FV-SR likes the CCI standard velocity. It does shoot a little better with the Federal Ultra Match, but that stuff is $15 a box!
 
I have an FV. It really likes Blazer in cheap ammo, but as you say, the Aguila SSS doesn't even stabilize. I have a buddy who shoots the SSS out of a 1/9" twist AR with a conversion kit, and it does really well for him.

The FV has done well with Wolf Match target and Fiocchi match, but what it really likes is Eley Rifle.

I need to buy some more of that Eley. Maybe the payday after Christmas.

On the stock issue - I intend to replace mine, but in the meantime, I added a cheek riser for $25 and a few minutes work. I also added a 1" recoil pad to increase LOP, and a 1# ingot of lead to balance the 22" target profile barrel. It works well enough now for what it is, but I intend to replace it with a better stock, probably a laminate with at least a flattened fore end so it won't rock like this one does when I do shoot it off a bag.
 
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Cci stinger 32g HP- 1454,1466,1435,1433,1453

WIN 525 bulk 36g HP- 1250,1237,1217,1246,1268

Federal target 40g solid 1080fps-1102,1071,1089,1086,1071

Cci quiet 40g solid - 691,714,713,712,750

By far the winner in accuracy is the cci stingers with groups of 1.5" one of wich would have been under an inch were it not for a single flier out if the five. Of course this is the most $$$ ammunition I've tested thus far.

The federal makes a good run but has a tendency to drop one of the shots out of the bottom of the groups. 2" or so on average

The bulk Winchester simply made for bulk grade groups. Nothing noteworthy here.

The cci quiet required over 2' of come up to land on my target. With that much hang time no grouping was evident.

Of course the rifle is turning out to be a hit with the kiddos.
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I would strongly suggest doing all your initial testing at 50yds. The .22LR's accuracy begins to unravel around 75yds and results at 100yds can be unreliable. A half MOA at 50yd rifle quickly becomes a ¾ to 1MOA rifle at 100yds.

As stated, high velocity loads are not the best for accuracy at any range but particularly at 100yds and beyond. Hyper velocity is usually worse. Match (subsonic) ammo will always provide the most accuracy, whether it's 50yds or 300yds.

That rifle should shoot a half inch or less at 50yds with ammo it likes. Although the stock may prove to be the limiting factor. They just have too much flex. My MKII, which came in a laminated thumbhole sporter, will do MOA at 100yds with Wolf MT if conditions are good.
 
That CCI Quiet, I wouldn't even bother shooting past 25yds. Too slow, not intended for that kind of thing.
 
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That CCI Quiet, I wouldn't even bother shooting past 25yds. Too slow, not intended for that kind of thing.
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Obviously, but I had the Chronograph set up and a box handy so downrange it went. Same with the SSS I knew wouldn't stabilize.




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I like the Aguilla .22 match rifle ammo. It stays subsonic consistently in my MKII FVSR and shoots almost as accurately as Eley that costs four times as much.

I really love the Winchester Dynapoints in my 10-22, but in the Savage bolt gun a fairly high percentage go supersonic. I'm not certain why they crack when fired out of the Savage but not out of the Ruger (both have 16" barrels). I assume that it's because cycling the bolt on the semi auto eats up enough energy to drop velocities a bit.
 
CCI Quiet is a good low noise 25 yard hunting ammo. Not target.

What number is the federal match ammo, its on the end flap. 922A??
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/95...-ammunition-22-long-rifle-40-grain-lead-match

If federal 711b is just a low grade match ammo like agula match

If you can try wolf or sk or cci standard to see how they shoot too
How many rounds fired so far and did any lead clean from your barrel.

22s are bad about likeing 1 certain ammo over any other too.

Ya got cha a real marksman in the photo there.
 
I plan to make a midway order and snag a few boxes of various subsonic loads to test. Particularly modestly priced stuff such as the aforementioned aguila.




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That CCI Quiet, I wouldn't even bother shooting past 25yds. Too slow, not intended for that kind of thing.
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I haven't used any of those but I've used a truckload of CB's and they are deadly on small game out to at least 50yds. Even with the lighter 29gr bullet.
 
Your chrono showed what I have discoved in my .22lr, Blazer is the most consistant "cheap" ammo out there. My Stevens will put 5 shots under the size of a penny a 50 yards. I have never tried match ammo, I don't see the point for a firearm that was bought for economy practice shooting. The Blazer is very consistent, as consistent as many other much higher priced .22lr ammo. I buy it in bulk any time I can.
 
The .22LR's accuracy begins to unravel around 75yds and results at 100yds can be unreliable.
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This is 100 yards. Out to 100 they can be VERY accurate in good conditions. 150-200 gets tricky. My son and I often shoot 330 yards and that totally depends on the wind. In good conditions, we can put them on a 10" target at 330 yards. It's similar to shooting .308 at 800 yards.

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Your chrono showed what I have discoved in my .22lr, Blazer is the most consistant "cheap" ammo out there. My Stevens will put 5 shots under the size of a penny a 50 yards. I have never tried match ammo, I don't see the point for a firearm that was bought for economy practice shooting. The Blazer is very consistent, as consistent as many other much higher priced .22lr ammo. I buy it in bulk any time I can.
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Ditto, that's what we use 90% of the time. For match shooting, Eley, Wolf Match etc. will be most accurate out to 200 yards. Much beyond 250 yards, subsonic has too much drop. We shoot Blazer at 330 yards and have had best results after we wax them.
 
Out to 100 they can be VERY accurate in good conditions.
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I never said they couldn't. I suggested all initial testing be done at 50yds as a baseline because strange things happen between 50yds and 100yds.

Accuracy will still be better at 300yds with subsonic match ammo and the drop can be accounted for.
 
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Your chrono showed what I have discoved in my .22lr, Blazer is the most consistant "cheap" ammo out there. My Stevens will put 5 shots under the size of a penny a 50 yards. I have never tried match ammo, I don't see the point for a firearm that was bought for economy practice shooting. The Blazer is very consistent, as consistent as many other much higher priced .22lr ammo. I buy it in bulk any time I can.
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The blazer is pretty darn good ammunition for a plinking price. I'm sitting on 1800 rds and will definitely order a case when it becomes practicable to do so again.

Are there any other loadings you guys would like to see ran over the chrony within reason in terms of price?




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if you are wanting accuracy, sort the ammo by rim thickness. your rifle should favor a certain thickness.

also, a good thing to shoot the same thickness ammo for groups. should eliminate those fliers.

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if you are wanting accuracy, sort the ammo by rim thickness. your rifle should favor a certain thickness.

also, a good thing to shoot the same thickness ammo for groups. should eliminate those fliers.

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Very very interesting! Another variable to test, the handloader in me can't wait.

A quick random test of three loads ranging from quality to bulk to crap

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